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KI CHUAN DO NEWS & TRAINING TIPS #34:
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YOUR RESPONSES TO NEWSLETTER #32: "REAL LIFE FIGHT PREPARATION" (by John Perkins)

"John, I am on an internet forum.  Someone posts a link of a woman being beaten to death and robbed by an apparent drug addict.
http://palm.newsru.com/arch/crime/2...nikov_v_hi.html
Attacker mitriy Chenikov,30 years old is the primary suspect in this matter(attack perpetrated 14 March,2004). Chernikov is a known felon in Kalinan, Russia. He is also suspected of twenty such attacks along with other prior convictions, all drug related.
 
The respone to this clip was amazing to say the least.
 
post #5
Physically will be the easier part. Some knowledge of fighting on and from the ground would certainly of helped.
A good base in fighting in general would have helped better.
 
post 17
Two observations:
1: Nice kuzushi/offbalancing
2: (sarcasm) Why did she let him take her to the ground? Why didn't she just hit him in the groin? (unsarcasm)
She should known grappling.
 
Notice that the woman doesn't try to hit back or defend herself because she is knocked out. So ground fighting is worthless.
 
Someone later suggested it should be used for a woman's self defense class. This is where it gets interesting.
 
From a woman's self defense teacher on why it can't be used:
 
The problem is that it reinforces precisely the wrong things.

1) It's a sudden attack, no warning, no interview. This happens, no doubt about it, but it's very uncommon. You're teaching them to focus on the things they are least likely to experience
 
You don't have to agree with it, just accept the fact. Almost all rapes and the majority of robberies are preceeded by at least a minute of conversation and increasing control. Simple facts, well established through years of research. NYC isn't special that way.

The point is to spend precious training time maximizing your chances. You can't prepare for an asteroid hitting you out of the blue. This is very much like that. The message you are sending by showing this clip, particularly in isolation, is that that is what is going to happen to you. What you show is what they will remember, and it is how they will see the world. This is one where she just could not have stopped him. That's what you're telling them will happen. It's also an unlikely situation. Extremely unlikely. If you only have twenty hours for the love of G-d spend it on dealing with the dangerous situations they have some real chance of encountering.
The fundamental disconnect in your thinking here involves success and failure. You want to show them failure. They will identify with what you show them and pattern themselves on that. In other words, you will train them to fail. Show them success and they will model themselves on success. The patterning follows the strongest emotional impact. By making this part of your training you have guaranteed that their strongest emotional reaction will be identified with failure and defeat.

2) It sends a message of total helplessness. The students will model their thoughts on what they are taught. This clip shows a scenario where the victim couldn't realistically do anything and gets killed, doesn't even go down fighting. That's what you are teaching them. Wrong response. Wrong orientation. Wrong result. Just wrong.

3) The very best that can happen is that you will make your students second guess the victim and blame her. Not come up with realistic things that might have helped, but blame her for getting being in a situation where the very best would have probably been helpless. The result of this sort of thing tends to be drawing away - that would never happen to me.

4) After about 15 years of teaching women's self defense I've gotten a pretty good idea of what to expect from students. There might be a few who would respond positively to this. The vast majority would react negatively. You'd probably lose a good quarter of the class including the ones who need it most. A few would be seriously traumatized.

5) This isn't high school driver's education. The grotesque splatter films they show there are to keep hormone-crazed teenagers who think they're immortal and have no skills from driving recklessly. That is exactly the opposite of where most self defense students are. They need to be, as it were, brought up to highway speeds. Terrifying them and sending messages of hopelessness is precisely the wrong thing to do. Odds are you'll just make them gunshy."

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YOUR QUESTIONS:

"I have purchased your book "Attack Proof" which was
informative and did incorporate many of the self offense moves of W.E
Fairbairn's system of Defendu. I have been doing some research on European
fighting arts and I am interested in Dans la Rue Savate or street Savate which
is similair to your system. I think the Western Martial Arts, in many ways are
better or equal to the Eastern Martial Arts. I would be interested in your
opinion on this subject. Thank you. Sincerely, Perry"

ANSWER:

Hello Perry,

I would like to give you my opinion on the subject of Western and Eastern martial arts.

First of all I don't necessarily think that either is better than the other in general.
The eastern practitioners often codified their martial arts and thus were better able to
hand them down to later generations. The Fairbairn methodology was based on the atemi
waza found in Jiu Jitsu where he attained the level of 5th dan. He stripped close combat
down to these very basic striking methods that we see today.

 Yes the martial arts of the west had their high level methods which can be found in the
study of the ancient Greek fighting art known as Eleftheri Pali which means ruthless
combat or anything goes. Later the more sportive Pancration came about which was
practiced for the Olympic games.

You mention an interest in training in Dans la rue Savate which is street savate. This
is an art that is european in it's creation. I trained some of the personal bodyguards of
Jaques Chirac in 1995. They were versed in Savate as well as Jiu Jitsu and various forms
of Karate. Most of their training centered on how to stop or incapacitate or kill a would
be assassin. What happened was that in simplifying their training the end result
resembled basic CQC which is similar to the beginning program of KCD. It seems that when
men who have to fight for a living develop a system of fighting it all starts to look the
same. Simplicity is king. The street or combat Savate that was demonstrated to me was
very effective. Mostly low kicks, knees and hard style boxing and side of hand strike
combinations were used. These guys trained every day like their life depended on it.

One exercise that they practiced to develop strong punching power was to perform up to 3
sets of 20 dips with various amounts of weight around their waists from 30 kilos to 60
kilos. They felt that having strong triceps and shoulders would allow them to maximize
their punching power. I demonstrated the drop punch to them by having three of them line
up in front of me locked in a strong stance. I placed my right fist on the first man's
shoulder and dropped while moving my fist about 3 inches into the first man causing him
to fall into the next and the next one fell into the 3rd one. This gave them pause for
thought. I showed F. C., their top fighter, how to do it and he has practiced it for
quite a while and I believe that he teaches this to his men even today. Here we have a
good melding of eastern and western technique.

Ki Chuan Do close combat is similar to and is actually based on Fairbairn's methodology.
The deeper concepts or principles are what sets KCD apart from all other martial arts.
Yes there is some of all martial arts in KCD as there is some KCD in all other martial
arts. Developing the principles of loosness, sensitivity, balance etc. through the KCD
drills is paramount in developing strikes and neck breaks and seriously violent ground
tactics. Remember, there is no memorizing one move to counter another move per se. At the
speed of a serious life and death encounter you cannot access a mental library of
responses to particular attacks fast enough to work. The simplistic method of most Close
Combatives at least gives one a fighting chance especially when you attack the attacker.
Attacking the attacker clogs up your attacker's plan. He does not know what you are doing
to him. You are causing him to deal with chaotic motion. High speed and simpicity is what
carries the day here. Until a person can integrate the deeper principles of KCD this
allows one to have at least a fighting chance.

When teaching stick fighting I base much of it on medieval and modern sword fighting. I
also use the catch as catch can fighting method of my father and uncles which was based
on the tomahawk and axe handle. Later I incorporated the concepts of sensitivity as well
as all the other principles of KCD into cane/stick fighting which eclipsed most of what
is taught today. All of the KCD principles can easily be used in any weapons system. I
enjoy working with the medieval broad sword. Here some of the greatest techniques of
weapons fighting were developed by the medieval knights, monks and others of the time. It
is very exciting. Remember that in the first encounters with the Japanese Samurai the
Italian and Spanish swordsmen used to regularly defeat the Japanese in duels. Of course
the rapier with it's basket hand protector along with superior footwork came in handy.

There is so much more that I could share with you on the subject of superiority of
eastern vs western. A good blend is best in my opinion.

Thank you for your great question, John Perkins


RE: NEWSLETTER #33
One of our long distance students responds with a superb answer to a question in issue #33:

QUESTION:
"In the interview he mentioned training with Lee Haney
using weights as an aid to prepare for his fight with
Bo. He said he had trained with other weight trainers
before but didn't get any benefit in punching power
but that he did get improvement under Haney. I was
wondering you know how they could be used to effect
your power. I know you don't need big muscles to use
your system but I'm always looking for new ways to
improve my skills. thank you."
--WILLIE R.


ANSWER:
Holyfield also used a machine called Vertimax. I don't
think it was necessary. There are still very few
boxers who can deliver power at any angle (regardless
of how far their arm is extended) because they don't
train simple concepts such as dropping energy and one
legged balance.

Some trainers such as Emmanuel Stewart do indeed teach
a generic version of dropping into jabs. The lineage
of this method goes back to Jack Dempsey who probably
discovered it through trial and error. The best way to
enhance your power is by enhancing your one legged
balance, everything else is ancillary. There's a San
Shou guy named Cung Le who has good one legged balance
and he DOMINATES his opponents in the ring.

Anytime you see a good striker, (i.e. Cro Cop) kicking
with much more power than everyone else, it is because
they don't have to fight their own balance to deliver
with speed and power.

To build up the tendon strength, nothing beats Dynamic
Contraction with a Horse Shoe(shown on Companion DVD
pt.1). For the explosive development, nothing will
ever surpass slam bag training, ensuring that you hit
with enough force that you make it feel like a solid
rock upon impact. I first learned the direct benefits
of this training when I took some lessons from Lt.
Col. Al. His strikes cut to the bone, even though to
an outsider it appears that he is merely slapping or
even tapping with his strikes.

If you're a fanatic, things you can add would be
lower body plyometrics (my favorite because I play a
lot of basketball) or lifting weights with chains
attached. What you are trying to do is build your
explosive strength. You don't want big bulky muscles.
You want to develop muscles that are neurologically
efficient so you can move with more freedom while
using less energy. Therefore, it's best to minimize
weight gain.

Deadlifts are perfect because you have to use
practically every muscle in your body in a coordinated
fashion to properly pull the weight. Also, they
develop the transverse abdominus muscles which are the
deepest layer of muscles in your core. All of this
will enhance your balance.

Ken F.
[EDITOR'S NOTE: Ken F. has a KCD training group in the Chicago area you may want to investigate.]
See:
http://www.attackproof.com/KCDTRAININGGROUPSINYOURAREA.html


QUESTION:
"...If one is fighting with a long-range kicker (taekwondo person, maybe) it is harder in my experience to close range and issue close combat strikes than it is for them to hold you at their preferred range. what to do if you cannot run? This seems to me the only issue with the principles outlined in your book. Attack proof has still helped me to fight better in controlled situations. peace."
--Mike

ANSWER:
With the long distance situation, there is no range problem in a REAL fight...typically if you have enough room to "spar" than you have enough room to run which fits our philosphy of avoiding all fights except those where you have no choice. This is the false premise of "sparring" as fight training. If he backs up and dances away, you back up until there's no fight. If he's jumped you you're already in close combat range. If you can't get away, typical close combat principles apply: attack the attacker. Distance fighters and long kickers tend to be one-trick ponies and hate inside fighting where you can gouge eyes, crush windpipes, scratch bite and claw testicles, rip off ears, and elbow and knee strike from every and all angles.etc. In KCD additionally you train looseness and sensitivity so that being inside actually makes you nastier and more elusive like a mongoose or pissed off alley cat as opposed to most grappling arts where you try to CONTROL the other person's motion and actually inhibit your freedom to strike and avoid being struck by tightness and antagonistic muscles.

If you're stepping in obliquely it's hard for one long kick to stop a rush in with low kicks, stomps and parry/eye slashes/neck chops, etc. Hate to use the example because it's sportive, but in the UFC very few fights are decided by long range kicking: the grapplers get in and dump them. In KCD, whatever kick they throw, you simply send field-goal style low drop kicks straight to their groin. If they kick high to your head, their groin's exposed and they get nailed, same for a high roundhouse or hook kick; if they do a spinning back kick, they get kicked in the ass and then you're on them. If they throw a low kick to your groin, they neutralize each other and then you're inside by now and your close combat stuff comes into play. If you slip, you can revert to KCD style groundfighting and crush their legs--there's very few ways to deal with this (see clips on our website) http://www.attackproof.com/VIEWVIDEOCLIPS.html
--Matt Kovsky

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